uh, doing it in hex is more useful: : sean.ebone.net ; ./y QMAGIC: cc, ZMAGIC: 10b, CURRENT_N_GETMAGIC: 80860000, N_GETMAGIC: 10b : sean.ebone.net ; hexdump /usr/bin/make | head 0000000 8680 0b01 8000 0001 1000 0000 0000 0000 i should not be doing this at 0630... Sean.