Re: [Ssh] Re: draft charter

[Bob Beck <beck%obtuse.com@localhost>]

This looks good to me. I dont think the history needs to be in the charter (although I do believe it would do well for the working group to be mindful of it in the interest of future success). 

Cheers,

Bob 

> On Aug 16, 2024, at 03:10, Job Snijders <job=40fastly.com%dmarc.ietf.org@localhost> wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Aug 16, 2024 at 01:11:18AM +0300, Tero Kivinen wrote:
>> Stephen Farrell writes:
>>> At the time of writing this charter, it has been more than 17 years
>>> since the previous Secure Shell WG has been closed and its documents
>>> published. In the intervening years, current day implementations and
>>> RFCs have diverged, although the (now closed) curdle WG and various AD-
>>> sponsored RFCs have updated some of the SSH documentation, but in a
>>> somewhat sporadic manner as there was no WG chartered to generally
>>> maintain the SSH protocol documentation.
>> 
>> I think this paragraph is not charter text, it is justification why
>> this group should be accepted, i.e., it is input to IESG, but not
>> input to the sshm working group in the future.
>> 
>> I think we should replace this with actual description of the sshm
>> group, i.e. something like:
>> 
>>    Sshm WGs purpose is to maintain SSH standard and to facilitate
>>    discussion of clarifications, improvements, and extensions to SSH
>>    protocol. The working group also serves as a focus point for other
>>    IETF Working Groups who use SSH in their own protocols.
>> 
>> (copied from the IPsecME WG).
>> 
>> IPsecME is quite simiar group but for the IPsec standard, and we do
>> recharter every now and then to include stuff that is not considered
>> as minor extensions of clarifications, but we also offer contact point
>> for other groups when they have something related to the IPsec that
>> they want to do. We do have other working groups using SSH protocol
>> and providing them a WG where they can come and discuss with experts
>> is good thing. The SSHM WG can then either decide to recharter and
>> include that work, or say its fine to do that, but do the work on your
>> WG, or that is really bad idea, do not go forward with that
>> document...
> 
> Maybe like this? https://github.com/DavidSchinazi/ssh-charter/pull/10/files
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Job
> 
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