Subject: Re: rc.d
To: None <tech-userlevel@netbsd.org>
From: der Mouse <mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA>
List: tech-userlevel
Date: 03/14/2000 19:11:39
> 	* Monolithic /etc/rc is gone, it won't be back. Deal.

Ain't gone noplace on my systems.  Never will, not as long as I'm
running anything UNIXish.

> 	* As I've said before, please don't start about the "BSD way"
> 	  of doing things.

Why not?  *You* don't care about it, so those who do have to shut up?

> Why was this checked in?  Because it was the only way to move forward.

Nonsense.  That this move was forward is a matter of *opinion*, as
evidenced by the widely disparate feedback that has come up every time
it's been discussed.

For me, for my environments, this is a major step *backward*.  ("Would
be", I guess I should say.)

Indeed, it may be the SysV shard that finally drives me away from
Net"BSD".  I don't know yet.

> If Luke had kept on trying to incorporate totally opposite (and often
> religious) suggestions, we would have ended up with one totally
> stressed developer, and no new rc system.

As Jason pointed out, this indicates that the change is not
sufficiently well thought out.

> You can't please everyone, you have to move forward.

Or, in this case, backward.  (If you can state your opinions as if they
were facts, so can I.)

> I'd hoped that, once people started using it, more constructive and
> practical suggestions would come up, but unfortunately there is
> already a tendency towards loudness rather than content.

Seems to me that means something.  If it were a flawed but basically
good idea, I daresay you would have heard useful, helpful comments, as
I've seen happen with numerous flawed but basically good ideas.

You didn't hear that.  And that says, pretty clearly, that it *isn't* a
flawed but basically good idea.

> What are the open issues?

You mean like how the Project just screwed over everyone who dares to
run a system in any way other than "run sysinst, run pkg_add"?  Or is
that not an issue for you, just for the admins in question?

Yes, I'm angry.  Angry, disappointed, sad, abandoned.  I was foolish
enough to let myself think that NetBSD actually cared about the last
three letters of its name.  This led me to invest a lot of dedication
and caring in it, because I care about BSD...and now the Project has
taken another step, and a very big one, away from it.  I can't really
expect the Project to care about one lone gadfly's opinion, but that
doesn't make it any easier to take its suddenly turning around and
telling me "screw you".

It also leaves me really wondering what I'm going to run at home.
Perhaps it's time for me to get out of computers at home, at least
until something better comes along to run on them.

If I even can.  If, if, if...perhaps I will be able to swallow this
pill, bitter as it is.  I just don't know.

					der Mouse

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