On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, der Mouse wrote:

# You see, the package system has the property that if you don't like it,
# you can ignore it and it will never bother you.
# 
# /etc/rc.d doesn't.

Ah.  I see your point.

# I'm not especially bitter about what was done, not yet (I haven't
# "upgraded" to an rc.d OS, yet).  I'm much more concerned about how it
# was done.

AAHHH!  I see your _other_ point.

# 
# The subject of split-up startup scripts has been brought up on the
# lists multiple times.  Every time, it produces many opinions, widely
# disparate and strongly held.
# 
# Yet this time, rather than taking from that the lesson that has been
# taken the other times - that no such scheme has enough consensus behind
# it to succeed - someone decided to go ahead and ram it down everyone's
# throat regardless.
# 
# *That* is what *really* bothers me: the Project telling me (and others
# who, like me, don't like the new way) "we know better than you do
# what's a step forward; here's what you're going to use".  This, much
# more than the mere fact of having split-up boot scripts, is what I've
# been referring to when I've written of my feelings that the Project has
# just decided to give me and my needs the finger.

I agree with this, wholeheartedly.  just couldn't put my...um...pencil
on the problem.

I will second the opinion that this was done without a consensus,
and that was *really* rude, guys.  And then to take the attitude of
"well, tough, deal".   Fine.  And the horse you rode in on.

# Starting up a stock system has never been the least bit difficult.

Yes, but you take my point (I hope).

# And this does make it easier to mechanically add stuff to the startup
# sequence.
# 
# The price that it exacts is that it is now significantly harder to do
# anything outside of the "what the vendor provides" box.  If I didn't
# mind being restricted to what some vendor thinks I need, I'd be running
# a commercial vendor OS - and getting full support for all my hardware,
# instead of having to hack on drivers myself.

Again:  I don't have an issue with rc.d outside of the system.
But I -do- take issue with my stock system being done like that.

# *That* is the sense in which it is a slight towards the hacker types,
# the sense in which I feel the Project is kicking sand in my face.
# 

				--*greywolf;
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