On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 13:44 -0500, der Mouse wrote: > > Having an easy to use editor in base would be nice, but wouldn't > > having a fully working keyboard be better? > > Oddly enough, a fully working keyboard is just what I already have, and > have had since at least my 1.4T freeze point. But perhaps we disagree > over what constitutes "fully working". I would say fully working constitutes the keys I've been using for over a decade to work. > > Infact, editing files isn't that great when your home/end keys don't > > work. > > How about, when they don't exist? Mine doesn't have any, and it > doesn't seem to have caused me any problems editing files. Maybe I > just don't use editors simple enough to have problems with this. > > (The world is more than peecee-layout keyboards.) So yours don't exist. Mine do and have for some time. I also have a Sun keyboard for my Sparc64 with home/end keys, which isn't peecee. > > What's more, I find it embarassing that in this day and age it > > doesn't work. Can you really take an OS seriously when something as > > basic as the keyboard doesn't work as it should? > > There are so many unstated assumptions here this is unanswerable. > > First is that the OS _has_ a "the keyboard". Serial consoles, anyone? > > Second is that your idea of how it should work is the only correct one. > > Third is that everyone shares your prioritzation of keyboards working > the way you want above other things (like, oh, I dunno, schedulers, VM, > disk drivers) in judging an OS's seriousness. > > Personally, I find keyboard support working the way you want - or even > the way *I* want - far, far lower on my priority list when it comes to > taking an OS seriously than, say, device drivers, network stack, and > the VM subsystem. > > But maybe that's just me. > > That said, if you want to hack on the keyboard support for whatever > port you care about, have at it. But you might want to pick a more > correct list than tech-userlevel; as far as I can tell very little of > keyboard handling is in userland, unless you're running X (in which > case it seems to me an X list would be more appropriate). The keyboard support is already there, no hacking as such is needed. What we are discussing is enabling it by default. Thanks Roy
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