Hopefully, this poor Lubomir Sedlacik <salo@Xtrmntr.org> is on 
-current....  (the on-topic thread content is at the end.)

I had previously exchanged messages with him on June 17, 
but he (or his ISP) has suddenly blocked messages from my ISP.  It 
would be helpful that folks would be more careful in selecting 
blocking vendors.  This vendor is clearly unreliable, as it doesn't 
clean up after itself.

I am a partner in an ISP, and according to this vendor, we are a 
"multistage" spam relay.  This is not accurate.  One of our DSL 
customers (running NT) was infected on May 11, and was promptly 
blocked and fixed.  May 11 is a long time before Jun 25, and poor 
Lubomir's vendor didn't run accurate checks.

So, now you know why it's never a good thing to block spam on 
an ISP basis for a single miscreant machine in the ISP space.  
You don't "punish" the ISP, you make more work for everyone, 
including yourself.

And responsible vendors never block an address for more than a few 
hours before checking again.


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Undeliverable mail: Re: toolchain/21923: incorrect
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 11:24:09 -0500
From: MAILER-DAEMON@watervalley.net
To: wsimpson@greendragon.com

Failed to deliver your message to salo@Xtrmntr.org:
SMTP: Address rejected by host
Host 'mail-relay2.wilbury.sk' says:
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: toolchain/21923: incorrect documentation on tracking current
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 12:16:40 -0400
From: William Allen Simpson <wsimpson@greendragon.com>
Organization: DayDreamer
To: Lubomir Sedlacik <salo@Xtrmntr.org>
References: <20030618001407.E5F5D11152@narn.netbsd.org> <20030618001829.GA7825@Xtrmntr.org> <3EEFB340.AD0B8453@greendragon.com> <20030618010236.GB7825@Xtrmntr.org>

Lubomir Sedlacik wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 08:33:22PM -0400, William Allen Simpson wrote:
> >
> > First the report, then the diffs!  I have to think about the best way,
> > and probably have to ask some more questions, too....
> >
Having asked my questions, I sent the diff to the www@ and gnats-bugs@ 
yesterday.  When I look at it via the query mechanism, it looks pretty 
odd, as some of the formatting is recognized (by my browser?) 

Is there some better way to submit?


> > But I was just looking through some of the other pages, and thinking
> > that rather than scattering the build information in 3 places, it
> > might be better to put all the "getting the current source" on 1 page,
> > and all the "building a current distribution" on another.  OK?
> 
> sounds good. "the place" is The NetBSD Guide, where most of the
> /Documentation/ are about to be merged.  a comprehensive chapter about
> -current would be most welcome.
> 
If you tell me specifically where you want something written, I'll try 
to get something done this week....
-- 
William Allen Simpson
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