Re: recent sysinst UX changes

[Joerg Sonnenberger <joerg%bec.de@localhost>]

On Mon, Nov 09, 2020 at 11:03:31AM +0000, nia wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 09, 2020 at 11:18:31AM +0100, Martin Husemann wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 09, 2020 at 10:10:56AM +0000, nia wrote:
> > > fwiw, i think the default options should be as close to Just Work as possible.
> > > 
> > > i have installed NetBSD irl with people who have only a little bit of unix
> > > knowledge, and watched them wince every time something doesn't go as planned.
> > > often this is on older, spare hardware, that's just to play with the OS on,
> > > so it is likely to not have >2015 CPU features (RDRAND).
> > 
> > I totaly agree with both of this, but "just work" is not a clear target,
> > especially when a simple step makes a difference in security (whether
> > manually typing in random things *does* make a difference is probably
> > for another debate).
> > 
> > The description pointing at copying output from another machine is just
> > an option (and it actually helps a lot when you do installs via serial
> > console or similar).
> > 
> > So: happy to make it more userfriendly, simpler, rephrase messages,
> > whatever needed - but we should not end up with insecure installs.
> > 
> > Martin
> 
> Requiring users to type in data is just going to result in a lot of
> users mashing the keyboard to get an install to work, is all I'm saying.

...which is actually a completely reasonable method. Heck, it's how
people have been using PGP for decades.

Joerg