Subject: Re: How to help NetBSD help you.
To: None <tls@netbsd.org>
From: Seth Kurtzberg <seth@cql.com>
List: netbsd-advocacy
Date: 06/14/2005 04:58:20
It would be easier for me to justify investing a bit of money here, if I
were better able to make it known that I am a resource in the NetBSD
world. I build firewalls based on NetBSD with some (I think) inovative
software.
I've tried several times to have myself added to the list of available
engineers on the NetBSD site, but I never receive an answer. The same
is true about inquiries I make about adding my products to the list of
systems that one can find on the NetBSD site.
I'm not saying that I'm receiving an answer I don't like, I'm saying
that I receive no answer at all.
While the amounts of money are, in the general scheme of things, small,
they are, to a tiny business like mine, not insignificant. So perhaps
more money could be funneled towards the NetBSD project if it were
easier to show that NetBSD appreciates those who promote the O/S and use
it in products.
Thor Lancelot Simon wrote:
>There are many upgrades we'd like to make to the NetBSD project
>infrastructure, but which we cannot make because, to be blunt, our
>project is poor. Not poor in innovation nor poor in developer
>resources nor poor in features -- poor in cold, hard cash, the kind
>we need in order to buy hardware that would let us better serve our
>users.
>
>While other BSD projects have received tens or even hundreds of
>thousands of dollars in donations, either by direct appeal to
>their users (e.g. FreeBSD, when they faced tax status problems
>because too much of their income had come from a single corporate
>donor) or by doing their best to ensure that they received some
>revenue from the distribution of their products (e.g. OpenBSD and
>CD sales) we have always, I guess, been a little embarassed to
>directly and clearly ask our users for money -- whether just as
>plain, simple donations or in return for copies of NetBSD, which
>we do our best to make available free to all on the Net by FTP,
>HTTP, and BitTorrent.
>
>But we do need your money. We really do. We need it to do more
>things and buy more stuff that will directly help us serve you,
>the NetBSD users, our "customers".
>
>Often we're asked if people can donate hardware instead of
>money. The unfortunate fact is that while individual NetBSD
>developers may be able to put donated hardware to use, we have
>standard hardware packages for the TNF servers and our
>administrators' lives become very hard if we just add donated
>components to them. Also, we try to buy all new systems in
>complete form from vendors we've successfully done business
>with in the past.
>
>However, if you'd like to donate to NetBSD, and see your donation
>go towards hardware to do things like speed up automatic builds
>of NetBSD (so you can always download the latest binaries from
>the branch you want for the hardware you need them for) or ensure
>fast and reliable AnonCVS service, what you *can* do is donate
>money to us and request that we devote it to that purpose. We
>can't make hard guarantees (we have no need, for example, for 73
>new disk drives) but we will do our best to put your money to
>use in the way you intended it to be used.
>
>So, if you'd like to "donate hardware" to us, please see the attached
>list of what we pay for the parts of which kind of system. If you
>send us an appropriate amount by PayPal to paypal@netbsd.org, we will
>quickly put it to work to improve NetBSD, and the availablity of
>NetBSD, for you.
>
>Clicking on the "PayPal donate" logo on the front page of our web
>site will of course also direct your donation to The NetBSD Foundation.
>
>You don't need a PayPal account to donate; you can donate directly using
>your credit card, which PayPal will process on our behalf.
>
>Of course, donations of any size are always greatly appreciated; and
>donations to The NetBSD Foundation, a 501(c)3 charity, are tax deductible
>under U.S. law.
>
>PARTS LIST #1: Standard NetBSD Foundation Build System
>
>ITEM QTY PRICE TOTAL
>
>Acme 8176T 1U Server 1 $685 $685
>Chassis Rail Set 1 $ 45 $ 45
>1U 64-bit PCI Riser Card 1 $ 19 $ 19
>AMD Opteron 244 2 $252 $504
>WD Raptor 74GB SATA disk drive 2 $196 $392
>512MB PC3200 DDR ECC REG RAM 4 $ 78 $312
>Labor, assemble & test 1 $ 25 $ 25
>Shipping (approximate) 1 $ 40 $ 40
>
>Total for system: $2022
>
>The more of these we can buy, the more we can speed up autobuilds for you.
>
>PARTS LIST #2: Replacement Anonymous CVS Server
>
>Acme 8177T 1U Server 1 $799 $ 799
>Chassis Rail Set 1 $ 45 $ 45
>1U 64-bit PCI Riser Card 1 $ 19 $ 19
>AMD Opteron 242 2 $201 $ 402
>WD Raptor 74GB SATA disk drive 4 $196 $ 784
>1GB PC2700 DDR ECC REG RAM 8 $138 $1104
>Labor, assemble & test 1 $ 50 $ 50
>Shipping (approximate) 1 $ 40 $ 40
>
>Total for system: $3203
>
>Thank you, in advance, for what I hope will be your very
>generous support. We will put your money to work -- and
>quickly -- to help NetBSD better serve you.
>
>Thor
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