The following reply was made to PR kern/34085; it has been noted by GNATS.

From: Quentin Garnier <cube@cubidou.net>
To: Matthias Drochner <M.Drochner@fz-juelich.de>
Cc: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org, christianbiere@gmx.de
Subject: Re: kern/34085: "scsibus* at umass?" missing for GENERIC kernel
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:06:20 +0200

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 On Wed, Jul 26, 2006 at 12:48:59PM +0200, Matthias Drochner wrote:
 >=20
 > cube@cubidou.net said:
 > >  I'll probably fix scsibus.4, too, although it's interesting to have a
 > >  list somewhere of the devices that expose the scsi attribute, so it
 > > does
 > >  make sense to have it that way.=20
 >=20
 > The problem here is that no documentation tells which devices
 > provide the "scsi" interface attribute, so the "at scsi?"
 > example would be completely without context.
 
 The contents of scsi.4 and other config files proves that we can't
 expect people to maintain it (not that I blame anyone--it just cannot
 be done).
 
 > Also in the kernel config files there is no logical chain
 > between parent and child, but in this case the use of interface
 > attributes is OK for efficiancy reasons. Users who want to
 > wire down devices would revert to real device names.
 
 This is nothing new.  audio has been listed that way since 1.6, and
 I don't remember seeing people complaining about that facts, save
 maybe for adventurous users of adjustkernel;  but those didn't
 complain directly that you can't see the chain in the config file.
 
 > Btw, the config(8) language sucks here - the should be
 > no question mark in "at scsi?" because attributes are
 > not counted like devices.
 
 That's actually not that hard to fix.  Requesting that interface
 attributes should appear without a wildcard would be fine with me,
 however it will bring a whole new kind of confusion for some users.
 
 So, where and how do you think I should list providers of "scsi" and
 "atapi"?  In scsi.4 I guess, but I'm not sure of the form.
 
 --=20
 Quentin Garnier - cube@cubidou.net - cube@NetBSD.org
 "When I find the controls, I'll go where I like, I'll know where I want
 to be, but maybe for now I'll stay right here on a silent sea."
 KT Tunstall, Silent Sea, Eye to the Telescope, 2004.
 
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