>If you use X on a regular basis, unless you happen to croak when X isn't started it's just not going to help you at all. Ah :) Well... like I said, it's frozen when I'm -not- in X, too; so a) I know it's not X-related and b) I didn't get debugger output then, either. -- <<URL:http://www.glinx.com/~hclsmith/>