I've just installed 1.3 from ftp.netbsd.org and the RISCPC-current kernel from ftp.ph.kcl.ac.uk. I've also added joe from the 1.3-alpha section of kcl. In X joe works fine, but at the standard console, it takes ages to redraw the screen. This is joe version 2.8. Any ideas? It also happens with the RISCPC kernel from ftp.netbsd.org. Stephen