Subject: Re: HP hardware questions
To: Rick Copeland <rcopeland@corp.jps.net>
From: Michael B. Wolfson <mbw@ee.cornell.edu>
List: port-hp300
Date: 03/19/1999 17:29:27
On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Rick Copeland wrote:
> 1. How can I identify what cpu I have (318, 319, 320, 330, or 350)?
Once upon a time, Mike Hibler posted a nice description of what each model
was. I attached that below.
> 2. What kind of cartridge does the 9144 take (is it HP specific or a standard QIC type)
HP-specific. It looks like a QIC cart, but it's formatted backwards for
use on an HP drive. Details at <http://www.mindspring.com/~rossspon/whatis.htm>
> 3. What drive does the 7958 supposed to have in it (ESDI, Seagate, capacity) ?
I'm not sure what it is internally, but it is a 130 MB hard drive that
works on the HP-IB bus. All HP Series 300/400 workstations can use this
drive. The 7958B is slightly different, it has 152 MB. It's supposedly
faster than the 7958.
Have fun,
-- MW
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 94 22:16:29 -0700
From: mike@cs.utah.edu (Mike Hibler)
Message-Id: <9412160516.AA29142@cs.utah.edu>
To: port-hp300@NetBSD.ORG
Subject: hp300 series HW (brain dump)
Here is the bulk of a message I sent out to CSRG back when they first got
some 300s in 1990. Might be useful for people. Maybe someone can update
it with the later machines...
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Here is the HP9000 series as I know it (as of April 1990 that is):
1. Buses:
DIO-I: 16-bit wide, 16Mb (24-bit) address space bus which supports the bulk
of HP's controllers: HP-IB adaptor, SCSI host adaptor, serial
interfaces and some older graphics interfaces.
DIO-II: 32-bit wide, 4Gb (32-bit) address space bus which mostly supports
graphics interfaces and the Human Interface Board (HIB, aka "IO card")
which consists of LAN, fast HP-IB (or SCSI), DMA, RS232, HIL, and
internal HP-IB.
HP-IB: HP's implementation of IEEE 488.1. Supports a variety of HP
peripherals including disks, tapes, printers and plotters. Each
HP-IB can have up to 8 slaves. Comes in two flavors:
1. Slow or standard speed (aka the "internal" HPIB):
300KB/sec (DMA) and 50KB/sec (non-DMA) max. For
low-bandwidth peripherals like instrument controllers
and printers/plotters. There is one of these (the internal
HP-IB) on every model machine I know of plus there is
a DIO-I card version.
2. Fast or high speed:
1.2MB/sec (DMA) and 50KB/sec (non-DMA) max. For high
speed devices like disks and tapes. Comes as either
a DIO-II "daughter" board or a DIO-I plug-in card.
A single system can have one "internal", one daughter board
and any number of DIO-I style HP-IB interfaces.
SCSI: Single-ended sync/async SCSI-I (I think) implementation.
Each SCSI bus can have up to 8 "slaves", 1 of which (slave 7)
is the controller (host-adaptor) itself. Again, there are
two variations:
1. DIO-II "daughter" board:
1.5MB/sec (async) and 4.0MB/sec (sync) max. Max of
one such interface per machine since it is a bolt-on
board that connects directly to the HIB.
2. DIO-I plug-in card:
1.5MB/sec (async) and 2.67MB/sec (sync) max. Can have
more than one of these depending on how many DIO slots
there are.
VME: VME C.1 implementation.
Don't know much about this, even though we have a couple. Haven't
done any support for the interface, not even sure it needs any.
I think Van can tell you more about the limitations of this.
There is an expander box version with 4 VME C.1 slots or there is
a DIO card plus VME C.1 interface card for connecting to an
external card-cage. HP only has one VME card product, an SNA
interface.
HIL: Human Interface Link. This is the "bus" that the graphical input
devices (e.g. keyboard, mouse, knobs, tablet, buttons) sit on.
One HIL "loop" can hold up to 7 devices. We only support one
HIL.
2. Machines (in rough order of introduction):
310: Obsolete. 10Mhz 68010 CPU based machine, don't know what MMU.
We have never supported these in BSD. About 0.7 of a VAX 780 based
on dhrystone 1.1.
320: Obsolete. 16Mhz 68020 CPU + 16Mhz 68881 FPU + HP proprietary MMU +
16k VAC. Holds 1-8Mb of RAM. Has DIO-I bus, which memory and
all interfaces sit on. Can add additional slots via DIO "expander"
box. We support these because we have lots of them. ~1.5 x VAX 780.
350: Obsolete. 25Mhz 68020 + 20Mhz 68881 + HP MMU + 32k VAC.
Holds 8-48Mb of RAM. Has DIO-II bus supporting HIB and graphics
interface. Additional DIO-I and DIO-II slots available via expander
boxes. Has private CPU/memory bus. Software identical to 320
except supports 32-bit DMA transfers (320 only does 8 and 16).
Supported cuz we have em. ~3.4 x VAX 780.
330: Obsolete. 16Mhz 68020 + 16Mhz 68881 + ??Mhz 68851 Motorola MMU.
Has 4Mb of RAM on CPU board. Has DIO-II bus with two available
slots (which can be converted to DIO slots), cannot add expander
boxes. Support was added long ago because U. Wisc had them and
loaned us one. ~1.5 x VAX 780.
318
319: Obsolete. 16Mhz 68020 + 16Mhz 68881 + ??Mhz 68851 Motorola MMU.
Low-cost, single-board version of 330. 318 is monochrome, 319
is 6-bit color. Non-expandable (or upgradable) in any way. I
think we borrowed a 318 once to make sure it worked (which it
did since it is software-identical to 330). ~1.5 x VAX 780.
370: 33Mhz 68030 (includes MMU) + 33Mhz 68882 FPU + 64k PAC.
Single, CPU board upgrade of the 350, same memory. These are our
workhorse machines (e.g. jaguar) right now. ~5.7 x VAX 780.
360: 25Mhz 68030 + 25Mhz 68882.
The 68030 equivalent of the 330; i.e. semi-expandable. Holds
4-16Mb of RAM which is tightly coupled to the CPU (i.e. not the
same RAM as in the 350/370). Supported, we have one of them.
Software-identical to 370 except no cache. ~3.9 x VAX 780.
340: 16Mhz 68030 + 16Mhz 68882.
Low-cost, single-board version of 360 (though with different memory).
4-16Mb of RAM. Has one extra DIO-II slot. Intended primarily as
a diskless workstation. Supported, we have a few of these.
Software-identical to 360. ~2.8 x VAX 780.
332: 16Mhz 68030 + optional 16Mhz 68882.
Upgrade to 310, don't know much about it. Not sold in a workstation
configuration. 1-8Mb of RAM on private bus. Has DIO-I slots and
accepts DIO-I expander box. Not supported, we have never seen one.
Wouldn't immediately work since we assume an FPU. Should be about
2.8 x VAX 780.
375: 50Mhz 68030 + 50Mhz 68882 + 32k PAC.
Multi-board upgrade of 370. 8-32Mb of RAM (different than 370)
in 8Mb increments. Multi-board SPU includes CPU, memory, SCSI,
DMA, LAN, RS232, HIL, slow HP-IB and Centronics parallel interfaces.
Has two available DIO-II slots (convertable to DIO-I slots) and
can accept expander boxes. CPU/FPU sit on a socketed "mezzanine"
board that can be replaced by a 68040 chip later this year. We
will have several of these, support has just been added.
~7.8 x VAX 780.
345: 50Mhz 68030 + 50Mhz 68882 + 32k PAC.
Non-expandable version of 375. Well, almost. It only goes
from 4-16Mb of RAM in 4Mb increments (the 4Mb boards can be
used in 375s, but the 8Mb boards cannot be used in the 345s?)
Not upgradable to 68040. ~7.8 x VAX 780.
380(?): 25Mhz 68040 (includes FPU and MMU) + 32k PAC.
Guessing here, don't know what it will be called or whether it
will have a cache. 375 Upgrade is supposed to be available at
no more than $2000 but is not yet on the price list. Would hope
that they will introduce higher capacity memory boards, 32mb
(4 x 8mb modules) is not very much for their high-end 68k box.
Of course, only Donald Trump could afford to buy more than a
Mb or two anyway...
3. Kernel config "cpu" types (ifdefs):
310 and 332 are not supported.
HP320: Includes HP MMU, old 16-bit only DMA, VAC support.
HP330: Motorola 68851 MMU support.
HP350: Always together with 320 except with newer 32-bit DMA support.
HP360: Together with 330 for MMU support (68030 MMU is subset of 68851),
also some kludgy support for DIO-II graphics display.
HP370: Always together with 360 except for additional PAC support.
HP330 should be defined for 318/319 support.
HP370 should be defined for 345/375 support.
318 - 16MHz 68020 + 68851 MMU + mono framebuffer
319 - a 318 s/mono/color/
330 - a 319 in a "regular" DIO/DIO-II case