In message <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109281732340.27920-100000@jupiter.linuxengine.net> John Utz writes: : i cant imagine it everworking without running xf86config or : XF86Setup....did u say that u did one of theses in an earlier email and i : lost the context? Ummm, XF86 isn't used for the NetBSD/hpcmips port. It has its own X server Xhpc. Warner