Subject: Re: selecting a portable platform for netbsd
To: None <port-hpcmips@netbsd.org>
From: Miles Nordin <carton@Ivy.NET>
List: port-hpcmips
Date: 02/20/2003 00:28:58
>>>>> "ms" == Mattias Sandstrom <mattias@beauty.se> writes:
ms> can i expect to get out of 32 megs?
ms> rxvt, dillo and abiword at the same time,
Here's a screenshot of 'top' on my 32MB MC-R700A if it helps you. As
you can see I have a microdrive and swap, but you could still compare
the sizes of things to your i386.
load averages: 0.92, 0.65, 0.56 04:45:33
50 processes: 49 sleeping, 1 on processor
CPU states: 10.8% user, 0.0% nice, 5.1% system, 0.0% interrupt, 84.1% idle
Memory: 13M Act, 7140K Inact, 500K Wired, 8012K Exec, 1492K File, 1380K Free
Swap: 96M Total, 24M Used, 72M Free
PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND
351 carton 2 0 3716K 2712K select 28:47 8.35% 8.35% Xhpc
23758 root 33 0 204K 988K CPU 0:04 4.82% 4.79% top
364 carton 2 0 1048K 2080K select 0:13 1.51% 1.51% xterm
462 carton 2 4 13M 9544K select 132:03 0.29% 0.29% emacs
7 root -18 0 0K 1236K pgdaemon 5:33 0.24% 0.24% [pagedaemon]
6 root 10 0 0K 1236K apmev 117:16 0.00% 0.00% [apmdev0]
397 carton 2 0 860K 1428K select 7:52 0.00% 0.00% xterm
2742 postfix 2 0 332K 712K select 6:30 0.00% 0.00% qmgr
9 root 18 0 0K 1236K syncer 4:43 0.00% 0.00% [ioflush]
8 root -18 0 0K 1236K reaper 4:17 0.00% 0.00% [reaper]
400 carton 2 0 108K 916K select 0:59 0.00% 0.00% oclock
363 carton 2 0 764K 1232K select 0:50 0.00% 0.00% olvwm
401 carton 2 0 536K 1108K select 0:50 0.00% 0.00% xconsole
20959 carton 3 0 1256K 1484K ttyin 0:48 0.00% 0.00% mutt
97 root 2 0 196K 560K select 0:46 0.00% 0.00% syslogd
2740 root 2 0 220K 656K select 0:38 0.00% 0.00% master
398 carton 2 0 848K 1240K select 0:35 0.00% 0.00% xterm
935 named 2 0 1936K 512K select 0:28 0.00% 0.00% named
10 root -18 0 0K 1236K aiodoned 0:22 0.00% 0.00% [aiodoned]
945 root 2 0 1448K 548K select 0:14 0.00% 0.00% dhcpd
14193 carton 2 0 2348K 540K select 0:11 0.00% 0.00% links
22534 root 18 0 380K 880K pause 0:09 0.00% 0.00% ksh
399 carton 2 0 936K 1208K select 0:09 0.00% 0.00% xterm
19211 carton 2 0 824K 856K select 0:09 0.00% 0.00% ssh
216 root 10 0 240K 532K nanoslee 0:07 0.00% 0.00% cron
227 carton 2 0 144K 344K select 0:04 0.00% 0.00% ssh-agent
125 root 10 0 400K 364K mfsidl 0:03 0.00% 0.00% mount_mfs
190 root 2 0 568K 460K select 0:03 0.00% 0.00% sshd
218 carton 18 0 376K 668K pause 0:02 0.00% 0.00% ksh
409 carton 18 0 384K 688K pause 0:01 0.00% 0.00% ksh
407 carton 18 0 380K 688K pause 0:01 0.00% 0.00% ksh
405 root 10 0 340K 856K wait 0:01 0.00% 0.00% sh
115 root 2 0 172K 528K select 0:01 0.00% 0.00% rpcbind
408 carton 18 0 368K 688K pause 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ksh
370 carton 18 0 368K 656K pause 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ksh
5 root 10 0 0K 1236K pcicev 0:00 0.00% 0.00% [pcic0,0,1]
4 root 10 0 0K 1236K pcicev 0:00 0.00% 0.00% [pcic0,0,0]
3 root 10 0 0K 1236K usbtsk 0:00 0.00% 0.00% [usbtask]
2 root 10 0 0K 1236K usbevt 0:00 0.00% 0.00% [usb0]
1 root 10 0 68K 480K wait 0:00 0.00% 0.00% init
350 carton 10 0 48K 480K wait 0:00 0.00% 0.00% xinit
23788 root 10 0 16K 460K nanoslee 0:00 0.00% 0.00% sleep
357 carton 10 0 224K 412K wait 0:00 0.00% 0.00% sh
245 root 10 0 344K 252K wait 0:00 0.00% 0.00% sh
22999 postfix 2 0 216K 668K select 0:00 0.00% 0.00% pickup
22523 root 2 0 336K 576K select 0:00 0.00% 0.00% pppd
211 root 2 0 120K 524K select 0:00 0.00% 0.00% inetd
166 root 2 0 156K 456K select 0:00 0.00% 0.00% lpd
365 carton 2 0 128K 436K select 0:00 0.00% 0.00% olwmslave
0 root -18 0 0K 1236K schedule 0:00 0.00% 0.00% [swapper]
ms> whether the 168 mhz cpu is faster or slower than my p133.
I don't know. I think the cache in these machines is very small.
Also the FPU is software-emulated, which will make some programs very
slow including mpg123. You'll have to use that other MP3 player, the
fixed-point arithmetic one. And also the sound does not work on my
MobilePro 800 which is one model series older but similar to the 780.
And even if the audio driver worked, the audio interface is that
speaker/mic handsfree jack like celfones have, so it's not stereo.
Needless to say I can't play MP3s or Oggs on mine.
Finally, like I said I get a lot of 'silo overflows' on the serial
port even at 38400 bps, so I think there may be something goofy about
interrupt handling on these machines, too.
but at least it's not a PeeCee, right? That's the important thing.
And thanks to the power of open source, you can use all those
fantastic Sun programs like OpenOffice and Java. oh, wait...d'oh.
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