I forgot to add this onto my last message... while testing the HWDIRECT-70 kernel, I got my first silo overflow in MONTHS. Q630, 1.3D userland, HWDIRECT-70 from ftp.netbsd.org, 28.8 PPP connection on the modem port, std.38400 and dtrcts on tty00. Ryan ----- HELO... my name is rewt... you have SIGKILLed my father... prepare to vi!