On Mar 22, 2005, at 12:33 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
> On Mar 22, 2005, at 3:21 PM, Greg Earle wrote:
>> "Tastes great!"  "Less filling!"
>>
>> Why are you people using port-sparc64 to regurgitate tired old
>> arguments from the 1990's?
>>
>> Hint: The right answer to "Should I have more than one partition,
>> or just use one?" is "Whatever you're most comfortable with".
>>
>> Sheesh.  Kids these days ...
>
>   I guess you like logs and files in /tmp filling up your filesystem.
> What about what the *application* is "most comfortable" with?   
> Operating
> systems aren't about administrator comfort...they're about controlling
> access to a computer's resources.

Logs tend to be rotated, last I heard.  And as for them - or /tmp files
(I use an MFS /tmp anyway, so that's "separate" - happy?) filling up
disks, I offer you this link:

http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi? 
PAGE=PRODUCT&PROD_ID=1106306&cid=25608&fp=F

In these days when you can get 73 GB SCSI disks for US $80, the old
"But you might fill up the disk!" arguments don't hold much weight.

>   "Tired" or not, "1990s" or not, there are real reasons to segregate
> stuff into different filesystems.  The fact that some people have  
> become
> so lazy and apathetic as to ignore such matters does not change the  
> facts.

isolar# uname -a
NetBSD isolar 1.6.1 NetBSD 1.6.1 (ISOLAR) #0: Thu Dec  2 18:54:27 PST  
2004 \
root@isolar:/usr/src/sys/arch/sparc/compile/ISOLAR sparc

isolar# df -k
Filesystem  1K-blocks     Used     Avail Capacity  Mounted on
/dev/sd0a       32131    25915      4609    84%    /
/dev/sd0d       61973    43583     15291    74%    /var
/dev/sd0g     7284975  6751342    169384    97%    /usr
/dev/sd0f     1016452   928333     37296    96%    /home
/dev/cd0a       88064    88064         0   100%    /cdrom
mfs:129         39679        1     37694     0%    /tmp
procfs              4        4         0   100%    /proc

I separate my 9 GB boot disk.  But the point I was trying to make is
that in this day and age of 73 GB SCSI drives and 400 GB EIDE drives,
a lot of the old arguments for partitioning have gone out the window.

>   And the idea that such apathy is happening in the NetBSD community,
> frankly makes me sick to my stomach.  I've been running NetBSD
> constantly since v0.9 was current and I've NEVER seen this much blatant
> disregard for good engineering practice in this community.

"Sick to your stomach"?  I suggest meditation if it stresses you that
much  :-)  I've been running NetBSD/SPARC since 0.9 as well (early 1994,
if I recall correctly; with one abortive foray into NetBSD/SPARC64).
I don't see how it's cut-and-dried that it's "good engineering  
practice".

If I make "/var" a separate partition and *it* fills up, and brings the
machine to a grinding halt, whereas if I hadn't it could've used up
dozens of GB more (those 73 GB disks, again), is *that* "good  
engineering
practice"?  My point was that there is no cut-and-dried argument that
proves one is better than the other, so why keep arguing about it?

(And isn't this discussion better had on netbsd-users?  It's got f-all
  to do with port-sparc64.)

>   Kids these days, indeed.

I'm 46.  :-)

	- Greg