At Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:53:59 -0400 (EDT), der Mouse <mouse%Rodents-Montreal.ORG@localhost> wrote: Subject: Re: FreeBSD devfs support on NetBSD 5.0 > > > I.e. rename() always just fails on my ideal devfs. > > That's a substantial enough regression compared to what we have before > that I for one would consider the result unusable. (At least assuming > you're talking about the /dev finally presented, as opposed to the > devfs underlying the union thingy.) I think given further reading about mount_union(8) and white-out files I believe the upper layer can easily fully support rename(2) (and everything else) at least as well as mount_union(8) does, and that should be quite adequate. Indeed the underlying devfs layer would not necessarily have to support rename(2) (though it easily could using the same white-out files, just not with cross-boot persistence), but perhaps unlink(2) and mknod(2) could actually be used (the latter in some slightly modified way perhaps) as one possible method to control device removal and attachment. > So you're also proposing to do away with the ability to have plain > files and non-fast symlinks in /dev? Indeed. If you want those then you have to use the union overlay FS. (that's more or less the way it works in every other unix-like system I've ever seen with a dynamic devfs kind of feature) (well the non-fast symlinks could be supported, just without cross-boot persistence of course) However I personally think anyone who ever wants to put a regular data file in /dev (even MAKEDEV!) needs a new file put in their head to remind them that it's really not a good idea to corrupt the hierarchy goals in such dangerous ways. Existence of regular data files in /dev is, to me, sure evidence that there's some major bug somewhere, either a missing device file (perhaps because it was removed by a buggy program), or a program has written to a non-existant device file. I must say I've seen a full bit-bucket (i.e. /dev/null is a file that fills the filesystem) crash machines far too often to ever allow any deviation from this rule. I have scripts and monitoring programs to find and shout loudly about such things. If a side-effect of use of devfs is that no regular file can ever exist in /dev, then that's "A Very Good Thing!(tm)". (of course there's no technical reason why defvs couldn't be just an extension of tmpfs or mfs and thus allow for non-persistent storage of data too) -- Greg A. Woods Planix, Inc. <woods%planix.com@localhost> +1 416 218-0099 http://www.planix.com/
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