Interesting-- from a shiny new Sep. 30 userland: SCARAB) patch --version Patch version 2.0, patch level 12u8 SCARAB) ls -laF `which patch` -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 72093 Sep 30 14:03 /usr/bin/patch* SCARAB) patch -F0 patch: unrecognized option `-F0' This kills audio/arts, at the least... What'd I miss here? --dhop