Re: libelf

[der Mouse <mouse%Rodents-Montreal.ORG@localhost>]

> #define stdin   (&__sF[0])
> #define stdout  (&__sF[1])
> #define stderr  (&__sF[2])

That can't be done with an truly opaque FILE; any code that uses those
#defines has to have the underlying type visible enough to know its
size at the very least.

> If all you have is operations on a pointer, you can change the
> representation behind the pointer freely.

Well, provided your changes don't change the ABI - for example,
switching to "#define FILE void" for stdio would change the ABI on
machines where void * is wider than struct pointers.

> It is silly to argue about whether this problem exists.

Oh, certainly.  This discussion has veered off into mostly-theoretical
weeds, and I think we agree on the pieces we're still discussing.

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