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Re: VT switching issue on netbsd-5.1_RC3



On 8/3/2010 8:45 AM, matthew green wrote:
Yes Ctrl-Alt-F1. Its a bit strange, everything in /etc including
X11/xorg.conf is exactly as I had it with 5.0.
X has changed a lot in 5.0 ->  5.1.  try removing or updating your
xorg.conf (via X -configure.)

Tried removing xorg.conf completely, no luck unfortunately:


X.Org X Server 1.6.3
Release Date: 2009-7-7
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
Build Operating System: NetBSD/i386  -
Current Operating System: NetBSD 50_CAT_2497 5.0_STABLE NetBSD 5.0_STABLE (V5) #7: Tue Jul 13 09:18:06 SAST 2010 root@netbsd5_template:/V5 i386
Build Date: 09 July 2009  12:14:03AM

    Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.X.Org
    to make sure that you have the latest version.
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
    (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
    (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Tue Aug  3 09:45:05 2010
(II) Loader magic: 0x900
(II) Module ABI versions:
    X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4
    X.Org Video Driver: 5.0
    X.Org XInput driver : 4.0
    X.Org Server Extension : 2.0
(II) Loader running on netbsd
(--) Using wscons driver on /dev/ttyE4 in pcvt compatibility mode (version 3.32)
(--) using VT number 5

(--) PCI:*(0:0:2:0) 8086:2e32:8086:d614 rev 3, Mem @ 0xd0000000/4194304, 0xc0000000/268435456, I/O @ 0x0000f140/8
(--) PCI: (0:0:2:1) 8086:2e33:8086:d614 rev 3, Mem @ 0xd0400000/1048576
(==) Using default built-in configuration (39 lines)
(==) --- Start of built-in configuration ---
    Section "Device"
        Identifier    "Builtin Default intel Device 0"
        Driver    "intel"
    EndSection
    Section "Screen"
        Identifier    "Builtin Default intel Screen 0"
        Device    "Builtin Default intel Device 0"
    EndSection
    Section "Device"
        Identifier    "Builtin Default i810 Device 0"
        Driver    "i810"
    EndSection
    Section "Screen"
        Identifier    "Builtin Default i810 Screen 0"
        Device    "Builtin Default i810 Device 0"
    EndSection
    Section "Device"
        Identifier    "Builtin Default vesa Device 0"
        Driver    "vesa"
    EndSection
    Section "Screen"
        Identifier    "Builtin Default vesa Screen 0"
        Device    "Builtin Default vesa Device 0"
    EndSection
    Section "Device"
        Identifier    "Builtin Default fbdev Device 0"
        Driver    "fbdev"
    EndSection
    Section "Screen"
        Identifier    "Builtin Default fbdev Screen 0"
        Device    "Builtin Default fbdev Device 0"
    EndSection
    Section "ServerLayout"
        Identifier    "Builtin Default Layout"
        Screen    "Builtin Default intel Screen 0"
        Screen    "Builtin Default i810 Screen 0"
        Screen    "Builtin Default vesa Screen 0"
        Screen    "Builtin Default fbdev Screen 0"
    EndSection
(==) --- End of built-in configuration ---
(==) ServerLayout "Builtin Default Layout"
(**) |-->Screen "Builtin Default intel Screen 0" (0)
(**) |   |-->Monitor "<default monitor>"
(**) |   |-->Device "Builtin Default intel Device 0"
(==) No monitor specified for screen "Builtin Default intel Screen 0".
    Using a default monitor configuration.
(**) |-->Screen "Builtin Default i810 Screen 0" (1)
(**) |   |-->Monitor "<default monitor>"
(**) |   |-->Device "Builtin Default i810 Device 0"
(==) No monitor specified for screen "Builtin Default i810 Screen 0".
    Using a default monitor configuration.
(**) |-->Screen "Builtin Default vesa Screen 0" (2)
(**) |   |-->Monitor "<default monitor>"
(**) |   |-->Device "Builtin Default vesa Device 0"
(==) No monitor specified for screen "Builtin Default vesa Screen 0".
    Using a default monitor configuration.
(**) |-->Screen "Builtin Default fbdev Screen 0" (3)
(**) |   |-->Monitor "<default monitor>"
(**) |   |-->Device "Builtin Default fbdev Device 0"
(==) No monitor specified for screen "Builtin Default fbdev Screen 0".
    Using a default monitor configuration.
(==) Not automatically adding devices
(==) Not automatically enabling devices
(==) FontPath set to:
    /usr/X11R7/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,
    /usr/X11R7/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/,
    /usr/X11R7/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,
    /usr/X11R7/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,
    /usr/X11R7/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/,
    built-ins
(==) ModulePath set to "/usr/X11R7/lib/modules"
(==) |-->Input Device "<default pointer>"
(==) |-->Input Device "<default keyboard>"
(==) The core pointer device wasn't specified explicitly in the layout.
    Using the default mouse configuration.
(==) The core keyboard device wasn't specified explicitly in the layout.
    Using the default keyboard configuration.
(II) System resource ranges:
    [0] -1    0    0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B]
    [1] -1    0    0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B]
    [2] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B]
    [3] -1    0    0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B]
    [4] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B]
(II) LoadModule: "extmod"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R7/lib/modules/extensions//libextmod.so
(II) Module extmod: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
    compiled for 1.6.3, module version = 1.0.0
    Module class: X.Org Server Extension
    ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0
(II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
(II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension
(II) Loading extension XFree86-DGA
(II) Loading extension DPMS
(II) Loading extension XVideo
(II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation
(II) Loading extension X-Resource
(II) LoadModule: "dbe"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R7/lib/modules/extensions//libdbe.so
(II) Module dbe: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
    compiled for 1.6.3, module version = 1.0.0
    Module class: X.Org Server Extension
    ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0
(II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER
(II) LoadModule: "glx"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R7/lib/modules/extensions//libglx.so
(II) Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
    compiled for 1.6.3, module version = 1.0.0
    ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0
(==) AIGLX enabled
(II) Loading extension GLX
(II) LoadModule: "record"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R7/lib/modules/extensions//librecord.so
(II) Module record: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
    compiled for 1.6.3, module version = 1.13.0
    Module class: X.Org Server Extension
    ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0
(II) Loading extension RECORD
(II) LoadModule: "dri"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R7/lib/modules/extensions//libdri.so
(II) Module dri: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
    compiled for 1.6.3, module version = 1.0.0
    ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0
(II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI
(II) LoadModule: "dri2"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R7/lib/modules/extensions//libdri2.so
(II) Module dri2: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
    compiled for 1.6.3, module version = 1.1.0
    ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0
(II) Loading extension DRI2
(II) LoadModule: "intel"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R7/lib/modules/drivers//intel_drv.so
(II) Module intel: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
    compiled for 1.6.3, module version = 2.7.1
    Module class: X.Org Video Driver
    ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 5.0
(II) LoadModule: "i810"
(WW) Warning, couldn't open module i810
(II) UnloadModule: "i810"
(EE) Failed to load module "i810" (module does not exist, 0)
(II) LoadModule: "vesa"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R7/lib/modules/drivers//vesa_drv.so
(II) Module vesa: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
    compiled for 1.6.3, module version = 2.2.1
    Module class: X.Org Video Driver
    ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 5.0
(II) LoadModule: "fbdev"
(WW) Warning, couldn't open module fbdev
(II) UnloadModule: "fbdev"
(EE) Failed to load module "fbdev" (module does not exist, 0)
(II) LoadModule: "mouse"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R7/lib/modules/drivers//mouse_drv.so
(II) Module mouse: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
    compiled for 1.6.3, module version = 1.4.0
    Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
    ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 4.0
(II) LoadModule: "kbd"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R7/lib/modules/drivers//kbd_drv.so
(II) Module kbd: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
    compiled for 1.6.3, module version = 1.3.2
    Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
    ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 4.0
(II) intel: Driver for Intel Integrated Graphics Chipsets: i810,
    i810-dc100, i810e, i815, i830M, 845G, 852GM/855GM, 865G, 915G,
    E7221 (i915), 915GM, 945G, 945GM, 945GME, IGD_GM, IGD_G, 965G, G35,
    965Q, 946GZ, 965GM, 965GME/GLE, G33, Q35, Q33,
    Mobile Intel® GM45 Express Chipset,
    Intel Integrated Graphics Device, G45/G43, Q45/Q43, G41
(II) VESA: driver for VESA chipsets: vesa
(II) Primary Device is: PCI 00@00:02:0
(II) resource ranges after xf86ClaimFixedResources() call:
    [0] -1    0    0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B]
    [1] -1    0    0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B]
    [2] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B]
    [3] -1    0    0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B]
    [4] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B]
(WW) Falling back to old probe method for vesa
(II) resource ranges after probing:
    [0] -1    0    0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B]
    [1] -1    0    0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B]
    [2] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B]
    [3] 0    0    0x000a0000 - 0x000affff (0x10000) MS[B]
    [4] 0    0    0x000b0000 - 0x000b7fff (0x8000) MS[B]
    [5] 0    0    0x000b8000 - 0x000bffff (0x8000) MS[B]
    [6] -1    0    0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B]
    [7] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B]
    [8] 0    0    0x000003b0 - 0x000003bb (0xc) IS[B]
    [9] 0    0    0x000003c0 - 0x000003df (0x20) IS[B]
(II) Loading sub module "vgahw"
(II) LoadModule: "vgahw"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R7/lib/modules//libvgahw.so
(II) Module vgahw: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
    compiled for 1.6.3, module version = 0.1.0
    ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 5.0
(II) Loading sub module "ramdac"
(II) LoadModule: "ramdac"
(II) Module "ramdac" already built-in
(II) intel(0): Creating default Display subsection in Screen section
    "Builtin Default intel Screen 0" for depth/fbbpp 24/32
(==) intel(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32
(==) intel(0): RGB weight 888
(==) intel(0): Default visual is TrueColor
(II) intel(0): Integrated Graphics Chipset: Intel(R) G41
(--) intel(0): Chipset: "G41"
(--) intel(0): Linear framebuffer at 0xC0000000
(--) intel(0): IO registers at addr 0xD0000000
(WW) intel(0): libpciaccess reported 0 rom size, guessing 64kB
(==) intel(0): Using EXA for acceleration
(II) intel(0): 2 display pipes available.
(II) Loading sub module "ddc"
(II) LoadModule: "ddc"
(II) Module "ddc" already built-in
(II) Loading sub module "i2c"
(II) LoadModule: "i2c"
(II) Module "i2c" already built-in
(II) intel(0): Output VGA has no monitor section
(II) intel(0): Output HDMI-2 has no monitor section
(II) intel(0): I2C bus "HDMIDDC_C" initialized.
(II) intel(0): HDMI output 2 detected
(WW) intel(0): remove MTRR a0000 - b0000
(II) intel(0): Resizable framebuffer: not available (1 3)
(II) intel(0): I2C bus "CRTDDC_A" initialized.
(II) intel(0): I2C device "CRTDDC_A:E-EDID segment register" registered at address 0x60.
(II) intel(0): I2C device "CRTDDC_A:ddc2" registered at address 0xA0.
(II) intel(0): I2C device "CRTDDC_A:ddc2" removed.
(II) intel(0): I2C device "CRTDDC_A:E-EDID segment register" removed.
(II) intel(0): I2C bus "CRTDDC_A" removed.
(II) intel(0): EDID vendor "GSM", prod id 17384
(II) intel(0): Using EDID range info for horizontal sync
(II) intel(0): Using EDID range info for vertical refresh
(II) intel(0): Printing DDC gathered Modelines:
(II) intel(0): Modeline "1280x1024"x0.0 108.00 1280 1328 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (64.0 kHz) (II) intel(0): Modeline "800x600"x0.0 40.00 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync (37.9 kHz) (II) intel(0): Modeline "640x480"x0.0 31.50 640 656 720 840 480 481 484 500 -hsync -vsync (37.5 kHz) (II) intel(0): Modeline "640x480"x0.0 25.18 640 656 752 800 480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync (31.5 kHz) (II) intel(0): Modeline "720x400"x0.0 28.32 720 738 846 900 400 412 414 449 -hsync +vsync (31.5 kHz) (II) intel(0): Modeline "1280x1024"x0.0 135.00 1280 1296 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (80.0 kHz) (II) intel(0): Modeline "1024x768"x0.0 78.75 1024 1040 1136 1312 768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync (60.0 kHz) (II) intel(0): Modeline "1024x768"x0.0 65.00 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync (48.4 kHz) (II) intel(0): Modeline "832x624"x0.0 57.28 832 864 928 1152 624 625 628 667 -hsync -vsync (49.7 kHz) (II) intel(0): Modeline "800x600"x0.0 49.50 800 816 896 1056 600 601 604 625 +hsync +vsync (46.9 kHz) (II) intel(0): Modeline "1152x864"x0.0 108.00 1152 1216 1344 1600 864 865 868 900 +hsync +vsync (67.5 kHz) (II) intel(0): Modeline "640x480"x0.0 31.50 640 656 720 840 480 481 484 500 -hsync -vsync (37.5 kHz) (II) intel(0): Modeline "800x600"x0.0 49.50 800 816 896 1056 600 601 604 625 +hsync +vsync (46.9 kHz) (II) intel(0): Modeline "1024x768"x0.0 78.75 1024 1040 1136 1312 768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync (60.0 kHz) (II) intel(0): Modeline "1280x1024"x0.0 108.00 1280 1328 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (64.0 kHz)
(II) intel(0): EDID vendor "GSM", prod id 17384
(II) intel(0): Output VGA connected
(II) intel(0): Output HDMI-2 disconnected
(II) intel(0): Using exact sizes for initial modes
(II) intel(0): Output VGA using initial mode 1280x1024
(WW) intel(0): remove MTRR a0000 - b0000
(II) intel(0): detected 512 kB GTT.
(II) intel(0): detected 32764 kB stolen memory.
(==) intel(0): video overlay key set to 0x101fe
(==) intel(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0)
(**) intel(0): Display dimensions: (340, 270) mm
(**) intel(0): DPI set to (95, 120)
(II) Loading sub module "fb"
(II) LoadModule: "fb"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R7/lib/modules//libfb.so
(II) Module fb: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
    compiled for 1.6.3, module version = 1.0.0
    ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4
(II) Loading sub module "exa"
(II) LoadModule: "exa"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R7/lib/modules//libexa.so
(II) Module exa: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
    compiled for 1.6.3, module version = 2.4.0
    ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 5.0
(II) intel(0): Comparing regs from server start up to After PreInit
(II) UnloadModule: "vesa"
(II) Unloading /usr/X11R7/lib/modules/drivers//vesa_drv.so
(==) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp
(II) do I need RAC?  No, I don't.
(II) resource ranges after preInit:
    [0] -1    0    0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B]
    [1] -1    0    0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B]
    [2] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B]
    [3] 0    0    0x000a0000 - 0x000affff (0x10000) MS[B](OprD)
    [4] 0    0    0x000b0000 - 0x000b7fff (0x8000) MS[B](OprD)
    [5] 0    0    0x000b8000 - 0x000bffff (0x8000) MS[B](OprD)
    [6] -1    0    0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B]
    [7] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B]
    [8] 0    0    0x000003b0 - 0x000003bb (0xc) IS[B](OprU)
    [9] 0    0    0x000003c0 - 0x000003df (0x20) IS[B](OprU)
(II) intel(0): Kernel reported 241152 total, 0 used
(II) intel(0): I830CheckAvailableMemory: 964608 kB available
(WW) intel(0): DRI2 requires UXA
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (Device not configured)
drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (Device not configured)
drmOpenDevice: Open failed
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (Device not configured)
drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (Device not configured)
drmOpenDevice: Open failed
[drm] failed to load kernel module "i915"
(EE) [drm] drmOpen failed.
(EE) intel(0): [dri] DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI.
(**) intel(0): Framebuffer compression disabled
(**) intel(0): Tiling enabled
(==) intel(0): VideoRam: 262144 KB
(II) intel(0): Attempting memory allocation with tiled buffers.
(II) intel(0): Tiled allocation successful.
(II) intel(0): vgaHWGetIOBase: hwp->IOBase is 0x03d0, hwp->PIOOffset is 0x0000
(WW) intel(0): remove MTRR a0000 - b0000
(II) EXA(0): Offscreen pixmap area of 19660800 bytes
(II) EXA(0): Driver registered support for the following operations:
(II)         Solid
(II)         Copy
(II)         Composite (RENDER acceleration)
(==) intel(0): Backing store disabled
(==) intel(0): Silken mouse enabled
(II) intel(0): Initializing HW Cursor
(WW) intel(0): drmDropMaster failed: Unknown error: 4294967295
(II) intel(0): xf86BindGARTMemory: bind key 1 at 0x01fff000 (pgoffset 8191)
(II) intel(0): Fixed memory allocation layout:
(II) intel(0): 0x00000000-0x0001ffff: ring buffer (128 kB)
(II) intel(0): 0x00020000-0x00029fff: HW cursors (40 kB)
(II) intel(0): 0x0002a000-0x00829fff: fake bufmgr (8192 kB)
(II) intel(0): 0x0082a000-0x00e69fff: front buffer (6400 kB) X tiled
(II) intel(0): 0x00e6a000-0x02129fff: exa offscreen (19200 kB)
(II) intel(0): 0x10000000:            end of aperture
(WW) intel(0): ESR is 0x00000001
(WW) intel(0): Existing errors found in hardware state.
(II) intel(0): Output configuration:
(II) intel(0):   Pipe A is on
(II) intel(0):   Display plane A is now enabled and connected to pipe A.
(II) intel(0):   Pipe B is off
(II) intel(0):   Display plane B is now disabled and connected to pipe B.
(II) intel(0):   Output VGA is connected to pipe A
(II) intel(0):   Output HDMI-2 is connected to pipe none
(II) intel(0): RandR 1.2 enabled, ignore the following RandR disabled message.
(II) intel(0): DPMS enabled
(==) intel(0): Intel XvMC decoder disabled
(II) intel(0): Set up textured video
(II) intel(0): direct rendering: Failed
(--) RandR disabled
(II) Initializing built-in extension Generic Event Extension
(II) Initializing built-in extension SHAPE
(II) Initializing built-in extension MIT-SHM
(II) Initializing built-in extension XInputExtension
(II) Initializing built-in extension XTEST
(II) Initializing built-in extension BIG-REQUESTS
(II) Initializing built-in extension SYNC
(II) Initializing built-in extension XKEYBOARD
(II) Initializing built-in extension XC-MISC
(II) Initializing built-in extension SECURITY
(II) Initializing built-in extension XINERAMA
(II) Initializing built-in extension XFIXES
(II) Initializing built-in extension XFree86-Bigfont
(II) Initializing built-in extension RENDER
(II) Initializing built-in extension RANDR
(II) Initializing built-in extension COMPOSITE
(II) Initializing built-in extension DAMAGE
(II) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable
(II) AIGLX: Loaded and initialized /usr/X11R7/lib/modules/dri/swrast_dri.so
(II) GLX: Initialized DRISWRAST GL provider for screen 0
(II) intel(0): Setting screen physical size to 338 x 270
(WW) <default pointer>: No Device specified, looking for one...
(II) <default pointer>: found Device "/dev/wsmouse"
(**) <default pointer>: Protocol: WSMouse
(**) Option "CorePointer"
(**) <default pointer>: always reports core events
(**) Option "Device" "/dev/wsmouse"
(==) <default pointer>: Emulate3Buttons, Emulate3Timeout: 50
(**) <default pointer>: ZAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5
(**) <default pointer>: Buttons: 9
(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "<default pointer>" (type: MOUSE)
(**) <default pointer>: (accel) keeping acceleration scheme 1
(**) <default pointer>: (accel) filter chain progression: 2.00
(**) <default pointer>: (accel) filter stage 0: 20.00 ms
(**) <default pointer>: (accel) set acceleration profile 0
(**) Option "CoreKeyboard"
(**) <default keyboard>: always reports core events
(**) Option "Protocol" "standard"
(**) <default keyboard>: Protocol: standard
(**) Option "AutoRepeat" "500 30"
(**) Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
(**) <default keyboard>: XkbRules: "xorg"
(**) Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
(**) <default keyboard>: XkbModel: "pc105"
(**) Option "XkbLayout" "us"
(**) <default keyboard>: XkbLayout: "us"
(**) Option "CustomKeycodes" "off"
(**) <default keyboard>: CustomKeycodes disabled
(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "<default keyboard>" (type: KEYBOARD)
(II) UnloadModule: "mouse"
(II) UnloadModule: "kbd"
(II) intel(0): xf86UnbindGARTMemory: unbind key 1
(WW) intel(0): drmDropMaster failed: Unknown error: 4294967295



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